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Padshah UtherSRG 2024

You wrote "Since you can't explain in your own words, I see no reason to unblock you"

What own words? What do mean?

What questions should I answer You just decline the unblock request.

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Review of Scott Foster (Engineer)

Hello kind person, thank you for fixing a few things on a draft I am working on. I have just submitted. Would you mind reviewing (and hopefully approving?) feedback welcome.

Draft:Scott Foster (engineer)

I am a PhD student in China - and this person came up in my research of energy efficient buildings and felt this person was deserving.

Kind regards,

W

Qetuadgjzcbm (talk) 11:17, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Uchunari coffee

Are you aware that the Talk:Uchunari coffee page that you recently deleted survived a deletion discussion, see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Talk:Uchunari coffee, making it exempt from G8? IIRC, it was actually tagged with {{g8-exempt}} to boot. Unless there's something I'm missing, the page should be immediately undeleted. 78.28.44.127 (talk) 08:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I don't think I'd seen the exemption before, so wasn't looking for it. And this wasn't so recently done... it was January 2023. I have restored the talk page now. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Dipierstechnologies (20:22, 26 September 2024)

How do I delete defamatory Articles? --Dipierstechnologies (talk) 20:22, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dipierstechnologies: You don't. Which article do you think is defamatory? - UtherSRG (talk) 21:42, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AFC rejection

"Each reference should have only a single citation" is not in the policy page referenced (REFB). The WikiProject Article Creation guideline clearly warns reviewers to Avoid declining an article because you personally don't like the citation style or formatting (here). Please reverse your rejection. Ivan (talk) 17:03, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Иованъ: I know you know how to do what I'm asking. Also, learn the difference between a declined submission (where you are allowed to continue to work it to make it fit the main article space) and submission rejection (where you are required to halt work entirely and should move on to something else). - UtherSRG (talk) 17:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the clarification regarding the process. I know you know how to do what I'm asking is not very helpful. I genuinely don't. Can you please elaborate? Or perhaps demonstrate on one of the drafts what you had in mind? You never replied to any of my "Is this what you had in mind" attempts to conform these articles to your standards. Please bear in mind that these are my first ever hybrid articles. Ivan (talk) 17:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Иованъ: Look at other species articles in the same genus. There are literally thousands of examples for you to follow. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean with regards to the citations. Almost every editor has differences in citation style. Mine happen to provide quotations, which there is no rule against. But I don't even know if the quotations are what you object to. So please elaborate. Ivan (talk) 17:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Each reference should be to a single citation. Yours have multiple citations in some refs. And some of those citations are duplicated in other (often multi-)refs. Clean these up. Go look at other articles. Stop asking me questions that you can quickly research the answers yourself. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:18, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, thank you. That was the answer I was looking for. The duplications I believe I can fix thanks to a new experimental template Wikipedia just introduced.

But multiple citations are very much an acceptable citation style for multiple sources stating the same thing. It is often used to back up complex claims. In this case, it reduces reading clutter for the sources of each country. It is not grounds for rejection. So now I have a technical question. If you continue to dispute the validity of multi-refs, is ~~WP:DNR~~ WP:DRN the proper avenue for dispute resolution? Or is there a better alternative? Ivan (talk) 17:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For multiple sources supporting the same fact, use multiple ref tags. When one ref supports multiple facts, name the ref so that they end up being a single ref note in the references section. I don't think you mean DNR, but I don't know what you are actually meaning there. Please just make the reference fixes as I've requested, and I'll then approve the drafts. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:36, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am in the process of replacing duplicate references with shortened+quotation.

However, since I believe I am correct about the validity of multi-refs (there is a reason the template exists in the first place and you have yet to show concrete support for your actions from policy), or at least that it is not grounds for rejection of an AFC, I am afraid I have no choice but to seek third party arbitration. You blocked me once without warning. I will not risk another block by resubmitting with only partial compliance with changes you demanded. Ivan (talk) 17:51, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about make the changes first and ping me, then you can decide if there's a need for some further process. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Cirsium × przybylzkii. This is as far as I am willing to go without a third opinion from a qualified editor. I even moved some of the bundled sources to a "Further reading" section for legibility.

Draft:Cirsium × stiriacum has been edited in the same style. Ivan (talk) 18:22, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've updated przybylzkii to what works. This is the English-language wiki, including non-English text isn't helpful. Single instance of a reference in the reference list, with a pointer back to all of the places it is used. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Cirsium × reichardtii has been edited in the same style. Ivan (talk) 18:41, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cleaned up stiriacum now, too. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:41, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Cirsium × juratzkae has been edited in the same style. Ivan (talk) 18:51, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Cirsium × stroblii now has neither of the issues you described (the issue of duplicate citations and the "issue" of bundled references). Were you just speeding through? Or is there something else you want fixed. Ivan (talk) 18:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]